Also, I know that Fat Buu and Super Buu are made of the same beings, but so are Gogeta and Veku. A monster created for killing. Now, Goku mopped Fat Buu, but he was not using full power or really doing any critical damgage to Buu. Now, Fat Buu gained power from the SGK, but he also gained a childish mind. Now, Good Buu is the the combination of SSK, SGK, and the goodness inside Buu that Hercule found. Goku can kill Kid Buu, who is stronger than Super Buu. There's no conflict. Nothing to hold him from tapping into his power. Now, at this point we've established that Buuiccolo is stronger than Super Buu, and Goku was confident about fighting him. Now Kid Buu is basically in control of his body again, but the GSK stil causes him to have a soft spot for Hercule and Bee. After the whole sheniganans with Super Buu and Buff Buu, Goku is more pleased to see Kid Buu than worried about his strength. I just think it's a bit excessive to have Goku that much stronger than Buu. Both Goku and Vegeta felt confident enough that SSJ3 Goku would be able to beat Kid Buu once he had revved up enough power. I think kid buu is stronger for 2 reasons, well during the battle against kid buu it didn't seem like Goku was holding back like he was holding back against the fat Majin buu. Manga Trunks's SS2 was on par with the SS3 Goku who is stronger than his Buu arc counterpart. well kid buu > fat buu is a stated fact and SSJ3 goku wolluped fat buu it was one of gokus most one sided fights ever majin buu couldnt even TOUCH him and this was a SSj3 goku who admited to piccolo he held back Uh, what? In the Anime Filler he is a SSJ3, and no match for Buutenks. You guys got it wrong:  The Kias brought down Kid Buu power because they are pure kindness. Really controversial fight such as Goku vs Gohan, since Gohan was stronger than Super Bu and Goku was in tie with kid buu. #MajinBuu#Goku#GokuVsMajinBuuI DO NOT OWN ANY OF THIS CONTENT ALL CONTENT BELONGS TO THE ORIGINAL OWNERS! Evil Buu is stated to be stronger than Kid Buu based on his fight with Mr. Good Buu. It's just that by the time Kid Buu rolls around everyone who was strong enough to contend with Super Buu has been pushed off the stage, you have Vegeta still at Cell's level and Goku who's too exhausted to maintain SSJ3 long enough to get the win. But yah, I … But the simple fact is, Goku goes toe-to-toe with him for a significant period of time as an unfused Super Saiyan 3, the same as he did against Fat Buu. No he isn’t. Again, no "real" restrain on his power. Struggled against SSK, and decided to absorb him. In Z it fluctuates and in Super, we know who’s stronger. He is refering to Gotenks, probably taking into account Goten and Trunks' ability to become a Super Saiya-jin. Just because it wasn't explicitly said before doesn't mean it wasn't the case. Only when Super Buu absorbed Gotenks SSJ3 and Picollo did he lose his ground. This way, we might be able to manage something.” Through this statement, Goku believes Kid Buu is roughly Fat Buu level, or at the very least far below Super Buu. That's all the evidence you really need. Now this cause him to change and creates Ultra Buu. Even though SSJ3 Goku could have beaten Kid Buu, it's unlikely he could take on someone even stronger. Dragon Ball Wiki is a FANDOM Anime Community. SSJ3 Goku could have won against Kid Buu or Fat Buu.. Now, he fights against SSJ3 Gotenks and almost loses. SSj3 Goku stated that he believed he might have been able to beat Fat Buu had he tried. Krillin, Goten and Trunks are just idiots who rely on their eyes instead of sensing Ki; Krillin made the same mistake with Freeza. After Bee is killed, this causes Fat Buu to go crazy. I believe that gokus maximum power as SSJ3 is far stronger than fat buus max, but can he overcome buus hax regen before SSJ3 runs out? That's not to say that Fat Buu and Kid Buu are the same in strength. Do you think Goku should still be able to ride the Flying Nimbus in Super? He would have to reach the level of Gotenks all on his own. Was Goku just not trying hard enough? He reminded us about a fight that he had, and said he could have won it if he wanted to, but pretended to draw: One thing you cannot change is Goku admitting to being weaker than Super Boo. Fat Buu severely damaged him and scorched him too despite being factually weaker too, guess he's Fat Buu level now. Even ssj3 Goku couldn't beat kid Buu. SSJ Gotenks Post is much stronger and has to be equal if not greater than Goku.. 2 years ago Meaning, thus far Super Buu is the strongest Buu to appear. Privacy PolicyCookie SettingsDo Not Sell My InformationReport Ad. Ok, I am going to start with Kid Buu and see if I can't figure this out. There's this whole discussion of Kid Buu > Super Buu (base) because everyone thinks SSj3 can own Super Buu (base) because he was only a "little" stronger of Fat Buu who SSj3 Goku … Explaining why when SSJ3 Goku pounded on him, why he liked it. Now, at this point there is no indication that Kid Buu is weaker than SSK. This creates Fat Buu. (Not Good Buu.) I've found this to be a way more tricky debate than I figured it would be. This list includes absorbsions, not just the Buu's normal forms. Goku in SSJ3 could have taken Fat Buu if he really tried. There is Zero evidence that Super Buu's ki ever rose above Fat Buu level. Buuiccolo is born, and SSJ3 Goku says "You don't expect to beat me like that do you?" I think it's weird that Goku only mentions being stronger than Fat Boo when talking to Vegeta, instead of saying something like "Truth is, I could … Why? He does have his memory, and experience. As Gohan is stronger than SSj3 Gotenks, then so would Buuhan be stronger than Buutenks, Now, they rip out some pods, and revert him back to Super Buu. Almost like a zenkai type of power up. Kid Buu does much better than Fat Buu, implying that over time Buu really does just get stronger. That means that the Ultra Buu we see here is stronger than Super Buu. Goten and Trunks never sensed a power increase with Super Buu, but in RoSaT they admitted that it would take SSJ3 to beat him. Super Buu on the other hand is significantly stronger and was formed after Fat Buu was absorbed by Evil Buu. Indeed. Evil Buu and Good Buu. You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. I think kid buu is stronger for 2 reasons, well during the battle against kid buu it didn't seem like Goku was holding back like he was holding back against the fat Majin buu. Let me explain, Bibidi says if Buu serves him he will feed him cake forever. Even if Gohan becomes stronger than Buu Saga Goku, there's just too much of a gap for him to overcome. Kid buu DID almost beat fat buu to death, so it shows that buu can be killed without vaporizing him with a spirit bomb. Not the same mistake, or situation. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. He got to cocky, typical of him when he has the upper hand. If you recall, Goku Refused to fight Super Buu alone (after gotenks had defused) and would only do so with the help of Vegeta. So, the GSK "weakend" Buu, but it ultimatley didn't matter. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Dark Demon Realm Mission! So this means that the Kid Buu at the end of DBZ is much stronger than the Kid Buu that obsorbed the Kai's, as he would be about on par with Evil Buu at the time of his creation. I also believe Buuiccolo to be stronger than Ultra Buu, but other than that I agree with your list.Ultimatessj1 (talk) 22:10, March 3, 2014 (UTC)UltimateSSJ1, idk exactly where i would put southern kai absorbed but definitely somewhere between kid buu and fat buu. Not the esscence of himself (Evil Buu) but now 100% evil in control. Goku: “We did it! If you recall, Goku Refused to fight Super Buu alone (after gotenks had defused) and would only do so with the help of Vegeta. Now, when SSJ3 Goku fights Fat Buu, Piccolo notes that his power increases with every hit. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Big Bang Mission!!! Supreme kai said that other kais make Buu weaker, but he was talking mostly about Fat Buu as weaker than kid Buu. But the simple fact is, Goku goes toe-to-toe with him for a significant period of time as an unfused Super Saiyan 3, the same as he did against Fat Buu. Another way you could tell is that Dabura was stated to be about equal to Cell, Fat Buu killed Dabura, and kid Buu is stronger than Fat Buu. I will now be referring to him as Pure Boo from this point on so follow me here. Good Buu is in it. Super Buu is born. [[Category:{{{1}}}|Buu's by level of strength]]. This is simply not true. Goku said he could have beaten Fat Boo, but said Super Boo would kill him. I mean, once Gohan turned into his ultimate/mystic form he was giving Super Buu a run for his money and Goku couldn't barely take down Fat Buu when he turned into a SSJ3. Gohan didn't seem to be trying that much against Super Buu also though. Correct me anywhere I'm wrong, but do not say any of the following: SSJ3 is not better than SSJ3 Gotenks or Mystic Gohan, or that the English Dubbed Anime/Manga means nothing, since Japnese and Englsih Manga or Anime, are part of the DBZ Universe. Now, Evil Buu is the presence of Kid Buu inside of Buu. Super Buu on the other hand is significantly stronger and was formed after Fat Buu was absorbed by Evil Buu. If he's stronger than Fat Boo but weaker than Super Boo, that means Super > Fat Boo. Goten and Trunks have more development than Goku in Super. As for the evidence that SSJ3 Goku could beat Super Buu. You can call Goten and Trunks idiots if you want, the fact remains that they can sense ki, and didn't sense Super Buu's go up. Vegeta notices a pod. Now, Goku admits he can beat Kid Buu. The power of Evil Buu, added on to Good Buu, gives birth to a strength much greater than Kid Buu. This makes Buutenks undoubtedly the strongest form yet. If Kid Buu was above Super Buu then that would mean SSJ3 Gotenks is < SSJ3 Goku. there are people that actually believe buutenks and buuhan are weaker than kid buu, and that ssj3 goku could have handled all of them, because of sources outside of the manga released years after it ended trying to spin the narrative of "kid buu and ssj3 goku were the strongest characters in the series up to that point", despite all evidence in the actual series suggesting otherwise Goten, Trunks and Krillin all failed to sense a power in Super Buu, which on its own could mean that Super Buu's ki isn't greater than Fat Buu's ki, which would imply SSJ3 Goku > Super Buu = Fat Buu. @Muzic: Kid Buu is actually weaker than Super Buu (base form). Krillin didn't notice an increase when Freeza transformed, either, but he was still stronger; we can rule Kucklin out of this. SSJ3 Goku >= SSJ Gotenks Pre. He also says that his power has doubled since their last fight. So, Buu did not get a restrain on power like he did from the GSK, but an increase like he did from the SSK. He is pure evil. SSJ2 Goku: 110-SSJ3: 440--Vs. This is simply not true. https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Buu%27s_by_level_of_strength?oldid=1290435. All of this proves Kid Buu … The second link is the chapter where Goku states he is weaker than Super Buu. The good heart of the SGK (not the SSK) caused his Full power to be restrained. Now, Vegeta rips the pod, and that is  when the SSK spirit actually leaves, as he was completley absorbed into Buu's body at this point. Apparently Super Buu was stated to be equal to Fat Buu in power, only now his body is better suited for fighting Gohan and Gotenks are never actually stated to be stronger than Goku in either the manga or guidebooks (the guidebooks actually rule Goku out of the chain). Ultimate Gohan was stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks, who fought Super Buu, and Goku said he couldnt beat Super Buu. Gohan easily dominated and beat the hell out of Super Buu, who was far stronger than Fat Buu. Hercule shows him what it means to have a friend and a good heart. SF latif Maybe he could take Fat Buu (the one that originally hatched) as SSJ3 Goku was able to go head to head with that version. While no one explicitly said Boo's Ki increased, no one said it didn't, and Goku's later admission is proof it did. So, with the innocent mind of a child, that would make Fat Buu not even want to do his own deeds, but to do as he is told. Now, Super Buu is the same as Fat Buu, but without the GSK's effects making him innocent and restraining his power. They are even or Kid Buu is stronger. It's so clear he wasn't at full power. Now, after a fight with Gotenks, he befriends Hercule, and ultimately the SGK's plan is finally being put into effect. As Gohan is stronger than SSj3 Gotenks, then so would Buuhan be stronger than Buutenks, Now, they rip out some pods, and revert him back to Super Buu. Now, at this point we've established that Buuiccolo is stronger than Super Buu, and Goku was confident about fighting him. Now released, Evil Buu is the mind of Kid Buu with out being Buu. Now, at this point we've established that Buuiccolo is stronger than Super Buu, and Goku was confident about fighting him. Now, he seperates into 2 entities. He has two later admissions. Goku didn't just randomly bring up a full list of all the people he could beat. I dont have him that strong, and i dont have any buu character being hundreds of times stronger than a ssj3 goku, thats on you if you do. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. Of course, Super Saiya-jin 3 Gotenks is stronger than Super Saiya-jin Gotenks. This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. SSj3 Goku stated that he believed he might have been able to beat Fat Buu had he tried. There is Zero Evidence that Kid Buu's ki fell after Goku and Vegeta noted that it was rising. 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